But nowadays it's treated as concert music. Er kommt, er kommt, der Bräut’gam kommt, ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe in euer Mutter Haus. Please excuse my typing error! So I have to assume it was incredibly draining emotionally. They're all Bach scholars. It sounds all very pretty the first time around but I don't think one can (well, I couldn't) hear all the separate voices without some practice. Stream ad-free or purchase CD's and MP3s now on Amazon.com. Again the ripieno chorus sings the simple tune over the two main choruses complex melodys. Words can't help. But because notes do not translate into everyday experience, why two people can agree they enjoy the same piece of music is always a bit of a mystery. Chorus 1 sings "Seht!" The whole good friday vespers would run 4 hours: 3 hours of music with in the middle a 1-hour sermon. Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe In euer Mutter Haus. Translation of 'BWV 244 Matthäus Passion 1. 1. it's like... feel the vibrations man... :D. colors, vowels, deadly sins, chakras, days of week, bunch of shit in the bible. At 0:34 the piece takes on a happy and major feel but then reverts back to the sad and serious music again. Hopefully it'll entice them to listen to it. Suzuki is fantastic (as is his mentor, Koopman). Bach's 18th century Passion According to St. Matthew is exceptional for its musical richness and grand scope. I think I see what you mean -- though music is logical (or good music is logical) it is still an abstract so each listener experiences it a little differently. At 0:27 you can hear the violins above all the other instruments. And to do it right, one must train children to participate in this musical complexity. I find this even more frustrating with jazz, because sharing one's excitement is so difficult. Bach lived the stifling life of a provincial civil servant, yet he composed music of unparalleled greatness. als wie ein Lamm, sehet, Was? Oh Zion! Very much like language. At 6:17 the ripieno chorus sings "Erbarm dich unser, o Jesu!" See him- How ? Welcome to a Lutheran Good Friday. Translation of 'BWV 244 Matthäus Passion 1. As someone who endured those interminable Good Friday Lutheran services as a child, I am not certain we are into the crucifixion thing more than anyone else, but we ARE into the idea that all this historical brutality was because of OUR sins. Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion was first performed on 11 April 1727 in St Thomas Church,Leipzig,Germany. 5 Mose gebot den Kindern Israel nach dem Befehl des Herrn und sprach: Der Stamm der Kinder Joseph hat recht geredet. Der Bräut’gam kommt, der einen Rehe und jungen Hirschen gleich auf denen Hügeln springt und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. Scholl is an amazing countertenor. Bach's 18th century Passion According to St. Matthew is exceptional for its musical richness and grand scope. The association is indelible. You better be hid Der Bräut’gam kommt, der einen Rehe und jungen Hirschen gleich auf denen Hügeln springt und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. 3 And for musical notes it is the notes that come before and after a single note that give that single note meaning. Go rollin' in Or an F-16 A single note like a single word has no meaning. Music is both the most physical and the most abstract of all arts. Others speculate this large orchestration was only in Bach's dreams and the ensembles were much smaller (which would be more realistic). Or a rain of Willy Pete Go rollin' in Sure, Bach also had the French and Italian masters to learn from, but no artist in history ever so towered over his elders. Rob: you're absolutely right about the logical meaning of music. As a lamb, see, what? Bach's nested circles are a theological reinterpretation of time meant to shatter the linear ordering of past, present, and future. At the end of that phrase everyone sings smoothly creating a nice effect. Das der Töchter zeigt Richtung Bett. Oh when those tanks A bit of a paradox, no? Dort, sehet, kommt er hergegangen. The SMP was Bach's 4th Passion. Linguee. One person told me they didnât like jazz because it reminded them of smoky night clubs. Er kommt, er kommt, Der Bräutgam kommt! Virtually every aspect of music that matters to me is contained in it in one way or the other. It's like a fractal line: the more you look, the more you see. If all you hear is a big wall of sound, then it sounds like fine Baroque harmony but you're missing a lot. Notice that at 3:02 the ripieno chorus holds onto the note for a long time which holds the piece together. "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen" (Come, you daughters, help me lament) is a musical Agnus Dei and starts at the end. For a single word it is its use in a sentence that gives it meaning. What does GAZA "Kommt ihr Töchter"). Since the Middle Ages, Christian churches have observed Holy Week by setting the story of Christ's crucifixion to music. I am sure it's exhausting for the evangelist and the soloists because of the sheer length and difficulty. (Where?) I prefer HIP (ie period instruments) and I am not so crazy about the Germans (Klemperer/Furtwangler/Richter/Harnoncourt) -- Karajan is plodding. Or an F-18 Chori „Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klage“' by Johann Sebastian Bach from German to Spanish The Mass in Bm and Mozart's Requiem, both worthy rivals, are much easier to ingest and digest. Immer der Loser Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, Sehet - wen? Unlike Coltrane's music, it is easily accessible, but that instant welcome is deceptive. To this day, every time I hear the SMP I discover nooks and crannies I'd never noticed before. Basically the Classical/Romantic guys like vK don't get it. Lutherans are more into the crucifixion thing than Catholics, so I believe that feeling the pain and the emotion was an essential part of the experience. Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion was first performed on 11 April 1727 in St Thomas Church,Leipzig,Germany. Is that an Angel over head Since the Middle Ages, Christian churches have observed Holy Week by setting the story of Christ's crucifixion to music. Looking back, I think it was absurd to try to imagine the petty misdemeanors of a child were responsible for a crucifixion, but it probably wasn't so bad to learn that personal wickedness can lead to greater tragedies. seht die Geduld, seht, Wohin? SMP as Lutheran Gospel music. Just as a poem is a collection of words with the right arrangement, so music is a time series with the right Fourier spectrum. 1 Kommt, ihr Töchter.png. the bridegroom comes! -the bridegroom, Seht ihn - Wie? Er kommt, er kommt, der Bräut’gam kommt, ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe in euer Mutter Haus. At 1:05 notice that all the instruments go up in a phrase that repeats itself many times. Wacht auf, ermuntert euch! Even Dylan eventually gets dull. If Bach only wanted to write good music, it's hard to believe it would have been half as good. And to do it right, one must train children to participate in this musical complexity. Is that the soldiers I hear So two different people might enjoy the same piece of music but not for the same exact reasons. At 1:50 the singing is truly beautiful. At 6:35 you can hear nearly everyone singing the long sorrowful melismatic sequence. Oh when those tanks seht die Geduld, seht, Wohin? go rollin' in then the sopranos and tenors in chorus 2 repeat "Wohin?" Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe In euer Mutter Haus. It is said to be the greatest peice of sacred classical music ever written. Lyrics for Matthäus Passion, BWV 244: Chorus: Kommt, Ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen / Choral: O Lamm Gottes by Pieter Jan Leusink, Pieter Jan Leusink, The Bach Choir and Orchestra of the Netherlands, The Bach Choir & Orchestra of the Netherlands. Der Bräutgam kommt, der einem Rehe Und jungen Hirsche gleich Auf denen Hügeln springt Und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. Translation of 'BWV 244 Matthäus Passion 1. As a lamb, see, what? English words for Töchter include daughter and subsidiary. Only Mozart's music matches Bach's perfection, but Bach is more complex and more human than the Salzburg wunderkind. - als wie ein Lamm! No potty break. I just shrugged my shoulders because I didnât have any good reply to that. 3. At 2:04 notice that the tenors sing the main words while all the other parts move around them in complex melodys. Herreweghe is probably my favorite (his 2nd recording in the late 90s). Bach's St Matthew Passion: 1st chorus: Kommt, ihr Töchter. I use caps for the second group: The lamb and the bridegroom are Jesus (don't ask). Ultimately, staying power is the measure of all art. Iâm always impressed with your musical knowledge. You may say it's no different from poetry. Was the musicianship just so much higher than now? ps I had to listen to this piece several times to really appreciate it and specially the separation of voices from three choruses. This is a very enjoyable post. At 3:12 there is a short orchestra only section which leads in to the next section. Check out that low E in the bass. Did you ever wonder how air bumping against your ear drums can conspire to have such a profound impact on your emotional state? Wacht auf, ermuntert euch! Straight away you can hear how complex the melodys are and how all the sounds from all the instruments literally merge together. This recording is performed by the Choir and Orchestra of Collegium Vocale Ghent and conducted by Philippe Herreweghe on the 28 March 2010. What is also mysterious to me is why a series of tones affect us emotionally. Translator. o Best SMP interpretations? All choirs and orchestras join together and swell in volume until that final Picardy third. Oh when those tanks The flute plays a big part in this section of the piece but its not the flute youre used to. Den Bräutgam zu empfangen! This just blows me away because for me jazz is full of beautiful melodic lines. Dort, sehet, kommt er hergegangen. I don't care that much for the tempo and conducting style of the Germans but they tend to have the best soloists (Suzuki's weak point). Bach: St. Matthew Passion, BWV 244 / Part One - No.1 Chorus I/II: "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen" by Wiener Singverein & Chor der Deutschen Oper Berlin & Knabenstimmen des Staats- und Domchores, Berlin & Berliner Philharmoniker & Herbert von Karajan on Amazon Music. But his goal was first and foremost to create a religious experience in which he was himself engaged, and that, more than anything, informed his writing. Over 100,000 English translations of German words and phrases. On the other hand, I find this version a little too fast. ", Meanwhile the other choruses are still telling us about the weeping daughters of Zion. At 1:39, we have the melodic culmination of the chorus with a very simple, descending line. That's why the words are so important. Another person told me that jazz made her dizzy. Emmanuel Music is a Boston-based ensemble of singers and instrumentalists founded in 1970 by Craig Smith to perform the complete sacred cantatas of J.S. What is kind of interesting is that though the two chords share the same notes they have different functions. Er kommt, er kommt, Der Bräutgam kommt! One has to.) I like the English style, too (especially Gardiner). Yes, that's right, the immortal Dietrich Buxtehude himself! I'll write it one note per beat: 4. Dort, sehet, kommt er hergegangen. Music strokes, caresses, aggresses. But they still don't like it afterwards, that's it. Maybe some are interested by the counterpoint or perhaps someone else is enthralled by the beautiful melodic lines of Bachâs music. Ihr eigentliches Vorhaben, ihr Leben wieder in den Griff zu bekommen, erweist sich als schwieriger als gedacht. Or the children's screams Oh Zion! Ihr müsset ihm entgegen gehn! Then after all the tension and sorrow in this piece, it ends with a beautiful major chord. If someone associates jazz with a certain environment there is nothing you can say that might change that view. Not at all a "recital." Bach. Bach's St Matthew Passion: 1st chorus: Kommt, ihr Töchter. Wacht auf, ermuntert euch! Itâs a mystery alright. I'll return to it. With Reverso you can find the German translation, definition or synonym for ihr kommt and thousands of other words. Oh well.). So by definition it cannot be bad. Oh when those tanks But back in Bach's days, it was more like gospel music in black baptist churches, ie, it was an integral part of a religious experience. Why? I'd love to read your opinion of this chorus, and even better, a detailed analysis of the technique behind the magic. Nell, I can only speculate. The dirty little secret about the Baroque era is that it is among the poorest musically. Oh Zion! A poem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Jecl_J1WQ. And still others have told me they like melody but they donât hear any melody in jazz. Actually I realize now that I associate lots of pop tunes with particular events in my life, but I don't have that kind of immediate association with jazz/classical. Behold Him, out of love and graciousness. Which brings up the issue of intentionality. Which brings an intensity and a range of emotions he could not have gotten otherwise. you must go to meet him! As always, entertaining and enlightening -- and extremely well written. It's hard to believe. Of this there is no doubt, the St Matthew Passion is the greatest piece of music in the Western canon. This first movement leaves you breathless and emotionally drained. It is the seductive beauty of a musical sunrise that announces a day of treachery, death, and disillusionment. All things counted by seven, and so able to be communicated by musical notes. In my opinion I think it is the best section of the whole piece. auf unsre Schuld, sehet ihn aus Lieb und Huld Holz zum Kreuze selber tragen! Look up words and phrases in comprehensive, reliable bilingual dictionaries and search through billions of online translations. The bridegroom, see him, how? Lyrics for Matthäus Passion, BWV 244: Chorus: Kommt, Ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen / Choral: O Lamm Gottes by Pieter Jan Leusink, Pieter Jan Leusink, The Bach Choir and Orchestra of the Netherlands, The Bach Choir & Orchestra of the Netherlands. [3.10] Ihre Säulen machte er aus Silber, ihre Lehnen aus Gold, ihren Sitz mit Purpur bezogen, ihr Inneres mit Ebenholz eingelegt. The whole piece takes 3+ hours to perform but this 7 and a half minute section is at the very beggining of the whole piece. In some bunker Please show this to your friends who like music! As for "Kommt Ihr Töchter"--it is a work of such stunning complexity and nuance, it might be argued that nothing else in SMP even comes close. A single note by itself has no meaning. It's like an engine revving up. You can complete the translation of ihr kommt given by the German-English Collins dictionary with other dictionaries: Wikipedia, Lexilogos, … - auf unsre Schuld; See – Where ? You may only read this site if you've purchased, Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 21, 2009 12:04 AM, Posted by: Not Exactly at June 21, 2009 12:19 AM, Posted by: Guest at June 21, 2009 01:28 AM, Posted by: Rupa Shah at June 21, 2009 10:54 AM, Posted by: Rupa Shah at June 21, 2009 11:47 AM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 01:43 PM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 03:30 PM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 05:19 PM, Posted by: techno at June 22, 2009 12:47 AM. Kant lived a life of stultifying monotony, yet he became the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. Yes it is difficult to convey the excitement of listening to good jazz. - Ihr Töchter Jerusalems, [3.11] kommt heraus und sehet, ihr Töchter Zions, den König Salomo mit der Krone, mit der ihn seine Mutter gekrönt hat am Tage seiner Hochzeit, am Tage der Freude seines Herzens. Oh Zion! Buxtehude. Good question. 0:10-1:26 The piece starts with a sad and serious feeling to it because you can hear the low drones from the church organ. For a version without that error, see: File:BWV 244 Nr. Sie bekommt es nicht nur mit ihrem stärksten Widersacher – Edward Cullen – zu tun, der ihr in mehr als nur einer Hinsicht das Leben schwer machen will. Why does music move you? Then straight after, chorus 1 sings. then everyone in chorus 2 repeats it again! Everything he heard or played left him cold. I can still listen to "Idiot Wind" but "Yesterday" makes me yawn. Words are very inadequate. Chazelle--you really get it. Denn nach langen zehn Jahren kommt Isabella Swan wieder in ihre Heimat zurück. The orchestra plays a staccato version of the last section. "Penny Lane" will always bring me back to 7th grade walking in the school yard. You can complete the translation of ihr kommt given by the German-English Collins dictionary with other dictionaries: Wikipedia, Lexilogos, … Then chorus 1 answers them by saying "Den Bräutigam" (The Bridegroom) and that repeats. Ihr Interesse gilt dem Fortbestand des Clans. -like a lamb! 2: Recitative [Tenor] Continuo: Er kommt, er kommt, He comes, he comes, Der Bräutgam kommt! Notice that at 5:23 the orchestra goes into the original key. Is that lightening strike The new one (which has been quiet until now) breaks into a soprano chorale (the kids with the red gowns): meaning "O Lamb of God, innocent, slaughtered upon the cross's branch. Then... 5. at 2:14, the most breathtaking contrapuntal construction I've ever heard in any vocal work. Oh when those tanks Is that the thunder's pound Come you daughters, help me to lament, see, whom? With only 3 more hours to go! Oh when those tanks This call-and-response is repeated twice. DeclensionTochter is a feminine noun. Remember that, in German, both the spelling of the word and the article preceding the word can change depending on whether it is in the nominative, accusative, genitive, or dative case. (Probably Richter's version -- available on YouTube -- is easier on a beginner's ear, but I find it too slow. Go rollin' in. At 1:54, the chorus breaks into two for an amazing call-and-response between Orchestra 1- Choir 1 and Orchestra 2- Choir 2. Hohelied 3:11 Schlachter 2000 (SCH2000). We survive. 1 Kommt, ihr Töchter.png. The piece is in Em but performed one tone lower, presumably to accommodate the boys' vocal range. (Behold!) The SMP was performed only twice in his lifetime (which is TRULY a mindboggling concept), so there's lots of speculation about the performances. Oh when those tanks The bridegroom, see him, how? 11 Kommt heraus, ihr Töchter Zions, und betrachtet den König Salomo mit dem Kranz, [] mit dem seine Mutter ihn bekränzt hat an seinem Hochzeitstag, am Tag der Freude seines Herzens! Another example might be when people ask âwell whatâs the difference between a G Major 6 chord and an E minor 7 chord?â They both contain the exact same notes and I think the best answer is that (other than the bass notes) you have to look at where the chord is in the progression noting the chords that come before and after. I am not sure how much the musicians pay attention to the meaning of the words. Die Streicher der Staatskapelle Dresden klingen schlank, aber warm: perfekt. If I walked up to you and said âbirdâ it wouldnât mean anything to you but if I said âLook at that bird in the treeâ then the word is imbued with logical meaning. The 18th century flute looks like this. Kommt ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, sehet, Wen? als wie ein Lamm, sehet, Was? Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, Come, you daughters, help me to lament, Sehet - Wen? For a version without that error, see: File:BWV 244 Nr. 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